First came Rumney.
Beginning a Rumney Timeline
Here, a chronology to see where it leads.
Patrin Web Journal
Sources to be amended from time to time.
Then: Prominent George Romney or Rumney of Dalton, then many places. Rose to become Famous Portrait Painter, 18th Century. There is also George Romney or Rumney, 1730 in Dalton, arriving some point earlier. Worker. Joiner, Parish House Carpenter.
1541 - Scotland. Anti-Gypsy laws are passed in Scotland, see Patrin Web Journal at http://www.reocities.com/~patrin/timeline.htm (herein Patrin)
1547 - England. England's King Edward VI institutes laws against Gypsies, by then in the UK, Patrin. Seize Gypsies and brand them with a V on their chests and enslave them for two years. Any escapee who is caught will be branded with an S and enslaved for his or her lifetime. A Romani chapter in an English encyclopedia work has samples of the language.
1554 - England. Mary of England marries Philip of Spain, and impose death penalty for being a Gypsy, or going in the company of "Egyptians"
See the Patrin site for all the laws against Gypsies on mainland Europe, banning, killing.
These excerpt references are only to England, or Scotland
1562 - Laws passed so that Gypsies born in England and Wales can continue to live if they leave the company of other Gypsies and give up their idle and ungodly ways; all others are to be killed and their lands and goods confiscated (does this mean they owned land before these edicts?)
1568 - Pope expels all Roma from the Catholic Church
1573 - Gypsies in Scotland are ordered to settle; or leave the country. No more caravans.
1579 - Gypsies arrive in Wales
Marriage records begin in 1565.
Baptism records begin in 1685.
Burial records begin 1689.
1596 - Nine Gypsies at York, England, are executed for being Gypsy, but that out of some 106 condemned to death for being Gypsy and born outside England. They (the 106) proved they were born in England. (that meant they had records?)
Continent: persecutions continue, purges.
1642 - A George Romney was born at Appleby, see this site, http://www.baxgen.com/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I512&ged=Baxgen.com.ged. Please vet. That spelling as Romney would be unusual for that time. He is said to have died in 1738. Both spellings, including Rumney, are given depending on the site.
1650's - Suffolk, England - the last Gypsies to be condemned for being Gypsy are killed. Others are banished to America.
1660-1800 - In England, the group of Gypsies known as Romanichal (Rumnichal) "survive by working for local people who know them." Patrin.
1679-1682 -- Henry Sidney, later Earl of Romney, serves as ambassador to the Hague, and on close terms with William III of Orange, other notables. See bio and diary at http://www.bartleby.com/218/1022.html. The Earl of Romney line was not connected, as we can find, with any of the Appleby-Dalton Rumneys. How was the Earl's name spelled back then? So far, we see Romney consistently; no Rumney.
1702 - An Appleby George Rumney-Romney m. Jane Burrow at Dalton, but I do not see that marriage recorded at St. Mary's. Does this signify the Rumney's moving to the area after the marriage?
- Parents of John Rumney are not listed as married in the parish. Are
John Rumney's parents the George Rumney and Jane Burrow, see marriage
1702? That George is from Appleby.
- A Wiki source (?) says that John "farmed a small freehold" of his father, a yeoman from Appleby, who came to Dalton after the civil war, see http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Romney,_George_%28DNB00%29 Is that George Romney from Appleby?
1714 - British merchants and planters marketing in the Caribbean go to the Privy Council to get permission to sell Gypsies as slaves, to work in the Caribbean
1715 - In Scotland, seven Gypsies are "recorded" as deported to Virginia
1730 John Rumney m. Ann Simpson, who also is of the parish; but listed as from Sladebank in http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Romney,_George_%28DNB00%29. Ann also spelled Anne in other entries
- Then appears another Rumney, Thomas. Is this a brother of John, or another group? Thomas has children and is listed in the parish as father of those children.
This site says that this George is the second child of John and Ann, see http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Romney,_George_%28DNB00%29, but that does not fit the St. Mary's records. The Wiki also lists another son, Peter. None of that in St.. Mary's.
There is no Rumney or Romney listed as having been baptized in St. Mary's parish in that year. See parish records. Was the family not of that parish? What other? See map and plaque for portrait painter George Romney at http://openplaques.org/places/gb/areas/dalton_in_furness
Children of John and Ann
1731 William bap son of John (Jno?) Rumney
1738-9 Lawrence bap son of John Rumney
1740-1 Thomas bap son of John Rumney
1738 -- another George Romney, born 1642 (spelled Romney) dies, see http://www.baxgen.com/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I512&ged=Baxgen.com.ged
Then, another adult Thomas Rumney.
He has children the same age, roughly, as John's.
This is the line where cabinet-making is listed
Children of Thomas: George and John. Who is the mother? Is Thomas related to John?
- 1738 George, bap son of Thomas Rumney of Dalton.
- Dates inconsistency. George, one son of a Thomas, born 1738; another? son of a Thomas, born 1734 and this is the carpenter line, then becoming line of Painter George?
- Can this be the same as the George Romney born 1734 at Beckside, Daltono-in-Furness, the later portrait painter. see http://www.romney-society.org.uk/main/biography.html. Problem: the baptism was delayed four years, and that would not have happened. Babes were baptized within days of birth to save their souls.
- 1740-1 John, bap son of Thomas Rumney of Dalton (same age about as Thomas son of John, above)
- Did this Thomas also father, much later, another George who was baptized in 1780, and the Thomas as father is listed as a cabbinet (sic) maker?
1744 - Painter George Romney is apprenticed back to his father, a cabinet maker. Interesting - Thomas as father of George is listed as a cabinet maker. So maybe so.
1755 - Painter George Romney is reapprenticed, to a portrait-painter at Kendal.
1756 - Painter George Romney marries Mary Abbot in Kendal Parish Church. This site says she was the landlady's daughter, of no particular standing, who once nursed him back to health. See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Romney,_George_%28DNB00%29 Eventually have dtr, Ann, and son, John. Others? Live at Kendal? http://www.romney-society.org.uk/main/biography.html. A lifelong separation after that.
1757 - Painter George Romney starts own career, not in indentures
1759 Anne wife of John buried
Next generation of Thomas' children, the Thomas who is the son of John and Ann
1760 John Rumney m. Catharine Benson
1760 - Ann Romney, daughter of Painter George Romneyr, was born (not recorded in St. Mary's). Cannot access records for Kendal Parish church where this George married Mary Abbot. Ann is not mentioned by name, but her death is noted at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Romney,_George_%28DNB00%29. Son John is named, and divided his time after his parents separated,in what appears to have been a benign arrangement for all.
1762 Margaret bap dtr of John Rumney whose abode is Moorfoot (not Dalton) (Moorfoot Hills? Border with Scotland? Scots side?) See http://www.scottish-places.info/features/featurehistory375.html
1762 - Painter George Romney, then apparently in Kendal, raised money and went to London, improved self and moved in middle class circles, also professional
1763 - Painter George Romney's daughter Ann buried (Kendal?) at age 3. Painter continues on travels, studies, returning occasionally on work-visits. Wife remains at Kendal. They also have a son, John. Need Kendal records. This one became a landed fellow at Rusland, see http://www.romney-society.org.uk/main/biography.html
1776 Thomas, house carpenter, buried, Dalton. This looks like another line of Rumneys.
1767 Jane Rumney m. Richard Briggs
George son of Thomas who had been bap 1738
1777 Margaret bap dtr of George Rumney, son of Thomas? no designation of occupation of father
1778 Thomas bap son of George Rumney, no designation of occupation of father
1778 John Rumney, late of Cocken, abode Kendall, buried
1779 Henry son of Thomas Rumney buried, was cabbenet (sic) maker
1780 Mystery George Rumney bap son of Thomas Rumney, cabbinet (sic) maker -- same as the Thomas a generation earlier? Fathering still possible.
Starting in 1780, English anti-Gypsy laws are gradually repealed, at least in part
Who is this Thomas Rumney the cabinet maker?
1781 Margaret Romney dtr of George Romney, carpenter, buried
1787 Eleanor bap dtr of George Rumney and Eleanor of Dalton
1789 Eleanor Romney dtr of George and Eleanor buried
1790 John bap son of George Rumney and Eleanor of Dalton
1790 - Painter George Romney paints horrors of incarceration, prisons, appreciates plight, http://www.romney-society.org.uk/main/biography.html
1793 Anne bap dtr of George Rumney and Eleanor of Dalton
1793 George Romney buried
1796 - John, Painter George Romney's son, is a don at Cambridge, http://www.romney-society.org.uk/main/biography.html
1802 George Romney Esquire (!) buried, lived at Kendal. Is this the George Romney the portrait painter, who died in 1802, see
1806 George Romney (first spelling that is not Rumney), house carpenter, m. Sarah King (witnesses are Briggses, see 1767 Jane Rumney m. Richard Briggs?)
1806 William Romney of Dalton buried
1808 Thomas bap-- son of George Rumney, occupation house carpenter, and Sarah
1811- A Gypsy girl, Trinity Cooper, age 15, and her two brothers, "demand" to be admitted to a "ragged children" charity school near Clapham, London. They are let in.
(No further details)
1815 Anne bap
1816 - Quaker John Hoyland calls for better treatment of Gypsies, some improvements are made, but Gypsies are still being deported to Australia as criminals.
1822 - Turnpike Act is passed in England. Gypsies are fined who are found camping at the roadside.
1830 Thomas Backhouse of Newland, Ulverston, m. Ann Romney, spinster of Dalton (witnessses Myles Park Romney and Simon P. Dixon)
The first Gypsy horse-drawn covered wagons develop in England.
George Borrow translates the Gospel of St. Luke into Romani, the dialect then spoken in Spain. Passion of a Gypsy Luke.
- Find details at George Borrow Studies, Passion of a Gypsy Luke, http://georgeborrowstudies.net/passionofagypsyluke/passionofagypsyluke.html, article by Peter Missler. The volume is kept at Santiago de Compostela, Spain. Why was it considered so dangerous and provocative? See site. It was locked away with other Prohibited Books, pernicious works like the Book of Common Prayer and Nostradamus, works of Voltaire, Hobbes, Milton and more, safe from the "perverse and curious eyes of liberals and libertines." Is that because the translation was provocative and non-dogmatic, or because it was in the vernacular? But even priests leaked it out. Fine. Now, where is a reliable English transliteration or translation? Here is a Gutenburg book, The Gypsy Luke, but that is in Romany. The George Borrow Society is at http://georgeborrow.org/literature/theGypsyLuke.html
1830 Brigham Young starts Mormonism in America, http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-1842294.
- Americans did not respond warmly. So Mormon missionaries went overseas for converts, or to Native Americans (!). Efforts were made from the outset to convert Native Americans, for theological reasons, see Mormon and Indian, but that did not succeed for reasons discussed, see site. Today, compared to lifelong-Mormons, there are more ethnic and racial minorities as converts than as lifelong Mormons, see Mormons in America, Beliefs and Practices, Pew Forum Research.
- Does this Mormon attraction of a new religion, new place, this appeal for the downtrodden, support the idea that European Mormon converts were in appreciable numbers earlier assimilated Roma, intermarried and blended, but still at odds, or Roma in clear identity still, or the disaffected?
1830 Miles Romney m. Elizabeth Gaitskell (witness included Eleanor Romney)
1833 Elizabeth bap dtr of Myles Rumney, occupation joiner, and Elizabeth, Dalton
Note the Rumney and Romney spellings look interchangeable by now.
1836 James Briggs of Beckermet m. Eleanor Romney, spinster of Dalton
1841 John Dawick, labourer, m. Agnes Romney (witnesses George Romney, Ann Romney)
1841 - Miles and Elizabeth Romney and 5 children emigrate to America, as Mormons.
No more baptisms for Rumneys or Romneys, no more marriages.
1874 -Ottoman Empire. On the Continent, Muslim Roma are given same rights as other Muslims in the Ottoman Empire.
1880's - Agricultural depression in England. Many Roma move to squatter areas outside cities.
1885 - United States immigration policy forbids entry of Roma, and many are returned to Europe
1889 - A subgroup of Gypsies forms. These become known as Showmen, or Circus Gypsies, who then can move about in caravans. They form guilds to oppose the anti-movable dwellings laws, and become more and more distinct from other Gypsies. Were they earlier in mainland Europe?
1908 - Children's Act, England, requires 6 months of education for traveling Gypsy children
Then read the horrors of WWI-WWII, death camps. Rombase. Mauthausen.
1945-1960 - England. Gypsies begin to use motor-drawn vans, and buy land for their own stopping places
1952 - Romani Evangelical Church begins in Brittany, France
1960 - England - Caravan Sites Act, laws to extend to 1972 and prevent Gypsies from buying own land for stopping; persecutions begin again
1966 -- British Gypsy Council formed to prevent evictions and harassment. Effective?
1970 - law requiring sites be provided for Gypsies is abolished
And on to read about current steps forward and more steps back. 1983 - Gypsy Pentecostals convene in England.
No legal home anywhere, is that so?
Point being: Harassment, prejudice, persecution continues in England as elsewhere; but at least groups are better formed to address issues, it appears?
2000 - Plymouth, England, in the context of a Race Relations (Amendment) Act, notes these groups of Gypsies, at http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/gypsy_and_traveller_culture.pdf - Circus, Fairground and Showmen, Irish Travellers, New Travellers (referring to the 1960's movement), Romani and Roma Gypsies. Scroll down to the chart of customs, differences. See FN 1
An earlier ancestor was or was not a George Rumney, from Appleby. Appleby was and is known for Roma populations; and in the 17th Century, there were still ongoing persecutions of Roma.
To survive, wouldn't people have to move, change names and become generic (look at all the George Rumneys, John Rumneys, names recur and recur). And ultimately pass from an outlawed Gypsy culture to the mainstream: move on and marry, get on the church rolls. Is that why no marriages show at St. Mary's for Rumneys until 1730?
Cultural historians: research please.
- The Burgenland-Roma, after WWII, provide a petri-dish of how populations under such stress respond. See Burgenland-Roma, search. Some assimilate, no trace acknowledged of prior roots; some keep identity, but in time are able to rise in the surrounding culture, to degrees; some remain on fringes, targeted ongoing by prejudice, persecution.
England in the 1730's, Europe then and in preceding centuries. Start there and vet further, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanichal. It was a time of fierce persecution of Gypsy groups on the continent, and that followed them to England and remains in many ways. There was and apparently still is no safety. To survive, groups and individuals had to hide, run, blend; or get killed or banished, deported. Another ongoing inquisition, all around us, now largely unseen here. England passes laws so Gypsies can be killed? Move! But where. What vestige remains in hearts and minds. Does a vestige of a past heritage echo in a response to a preacher's call to convert to a group that wants you, to emigrate.
d. Go down to the notes and sources -- many sites ignore the setting in understanding where migrations went, why.
Did Rumneys leave Appleby to start new lives. Were all those Mormon converts tapping into the thousands of hidden Roma heritage people, already uprooted. Who will search that? See the chronology: no wonder a preacher on a corner offering a new life in America would be a magnet. Cultural historians: arise. Help us out here. It is not enough to say that someone does not have a heritage because it was long-ago hidden. DNA -- that would be a start. But too late, except for Mitt. He could help us out here. Swab a cheek for research, Mitt.
e. Can we trust articles from Wiki? Vet. Check its information at Fact Sheets on Roma History. Wiki refers to no modern Romneys at that article, and no political angles incorporating Mitt. Does that make it more reliable? Perhaps. Using St. Mary's in Dalton-in-Furness for records is a start. There were other kinds of churches in the area, however, including Methodist. And the parish in neighboring Kendal also needs to be searched for Rumneys-Romneys. What can be inferred from no such records at all? A recently moved family or group, from areas where living was worse?
- What were the outside cultural pressures to convert, even to Christianity? What else could they do? Roma became Christian from earliest contacts. See also History of Roma. Roma converted to Christianity as well as other religions where they settled. Long discussion and sources: see History of Christianity: Roma. Note the reasons for the rejection of them by the institutional church; and the forms it took.
- Conversion to Christianity also enabled many to continue a nomadic way of life, despite bans. Call the movement from place to place a pilgrimage. That worked, and probably had deep religious roots as well -- pilgrimage was a sign of piety for anyone. Read one's story: Camarque, France. See http://www.gipsykings.net/VamosABailar/Biography/chapter7.html
f. How does this chronology and exploration add to a conversation of a family's possible roots, and politics.
It began with specific family members and their relationship, not focusing on the Rumney name other than to show that it was consistently used by the Rumneys until the mid 19th century, when it became Romney. See http://hellofodderhellobuyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/candidates-and-their-own-minority-roots.html.
It has expanded. The issue is relevant to politics, to the degree that a willingness to be transparent is in issue.
Transparency is a pivotal issue. Secrecy, exploitation, or lay out the facts and then discuss.
- The discussion also point out wide discrepancies in treatments of candidates: what gets explored.
- One candidate's every last drop is DNA'd, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/us/obamas-mother-had-african-forebear-study-suggests.html?pagewanted=all;
- and that of his wife, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/us/dna-gives-new-insights-into-michelle-obamas-roots.html?pagewanted=all;
- while the other presumptive candidate simply suggests an Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, then ducks.
- There is enough ambiguity in the Romney history to support a DNA. Do you think he looks like Johnny Faa? There was an ancestor at the Moorfoot Hills: John Rumney 1762. The surname is not listed among Romany surnames at http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/page/%28R%29.
DNA. Done. It is what it is and it isn't, as with any of us.
The current Romneys may or may not be related
to the 18th Century portrait painter, George Romney.
There are multiple Johns, Georges, Anns. I cannot find records before St. Mary's, to find Appleby forbears, as noted in http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Romney,_George_%28DNB00%29, but Appleby was then and is now a focal point of Travelers, and the famous horse fair. See http://www.applebyfair.org/
Does this connection to Appleby, to a George Rumney who may be the George Rumney the father of John Rumney, suggest a connection to other ethnic groups. No answer. For another day, search http://www.applebymagna.org.uk/appleby_history/records_parish_records.html
"There is little in the public record about their (Mitt Romney's family's) English roots." See Daily Beast.See .http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/31/mitt-romney-s-british-mormon-ancestors.html. The geneological expert, as listed for the information at Daily Beast, is historian James Walton, at Cumbria, England. He would be the one to go back to. Does he also do Westmorland?
- This possible connection to the American Mormons: It is a "fresh curiosity" for him, declares Walton. Yet he says there is a relationship between Mitt and the 18th Century portraitist. See site. What is the evidence other than a surname?
- Why this late interest? If there had been a connection, wouldn't the area of Dalton have been interested when the earlier George Romney the Great was doing such great things here? Why is Walton in gear now for little Mitt? Tourism? Grandeur? Retrospective recall and adjustment? Or valid geneology that simply was overlooked.
We are reading records of St. Mary's and three related chapels (too far to get to the main church on Sunday, so chapels or smaller churchlets were set up scattered about) in the Parish of Dalton-in-Furness. See http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Dalton-in-Furness/index.html, herein Parish Records. The records are easy to read, but even the record-presenters acknowledge that information may well be incomplete or erroneously transcribed, and spellings changed. Accept that as true for most anywhere. And heritage: Rumenea, Roman; Romany, Roma, Travelers; Romney Marsh, place. Theories abound, see a limited one, too narrowly Norman, at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/26/1113758/-Romney-s-Anglo-Saxon-Heritage
Nobody could stay a "practicing" Roma unless, as in the 18th Century, Roma could survive by working for people who knew them. That appears to be George Rumney, with an agricultural background, Appleby, or even a free man owning his own farm, as there are indications of land ownership -- until confiscations.
Roma history: Central to all England and its surnames and people. Dalton-in-Furness. Would Mr. Walton please stand up and show his sources for being definitive.
Then, Americans, sites like Answerbag are nonsense on this issue: starting with a recent set of people, not their heritage. See http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2389305.
- Then, again Mr. Romney the candidate won't show his records, either, so is blind trust part of the water supply in Dalton? Are we supposed to take on Faith that big corporations are good but big government is bad? How about controls on each.
- We are left with (go for it) DNA. Even that has its difficulties, no easy answers, see the haplogroup discussion at Origins and Divergence of the Roma (Gypsies), American Journal of Human Genetics, at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1235543/
Romney is a common surname, many around Romney Marsh, Rumenea was an old Roman settlement, and more Romneys around Dalton-in-Furness, see index to surnames and history at St. Mary in the Parish of Dalton-in-Furness, http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Dalton-in-Furness/index.html, herein Parish Records. These records include chapels at Ireleth, Rampside, and Walney. See site. Records are acknowledged as open to flaw, error, mistranscription, see site. A researcher is urged to go to the original-original record. And the Rumneys - a name for an entire group of Rumnichals, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanichal
There are other Romneys of different background: Roma, Romani, Rom'nie, various spellings for the same sound. Travelers. Gypsies. Many lived at Romney Marsh, participated in or fostered or founded a horse-trading at Dalton-in-Furness. A history of their own.
Other sites connect the portrait painter George Romney to our later George Romney in Utah. What do the parish records show, period 1589-1850 (Miles Romney and wife Elizabeth Gaitskell, both of Dalton-in-Furness, emigrated as Mormon Converts to America in 1837. They were living in Preston at the time, see http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/31/mitt-romney-s-british-mormon-ancestors.html
FN 2 holding pen.
FN. 1 Holding on to information pending further research. And incorporation or not.
- Wikipedia, which always needs vetting, says that the parents of George Romney, the painter, are John Romney and Anne Simpson, so see the spellings go. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Romney_%28painter%29. Vet Wikipedia. Who put in the Romney name instead? A way of getting away from the stigma of Rumney and Rumnichal?
George Romney and an Eleanor Parke; *
And a George Romney and a Sarah King -- the one producing Miles, who converted to Mormonism and came to America with his wife
GEORGE ROMNEY OR RUMNEY AND SARAH
- 1806 - Baptism, Miles Romney July 15, 1806, born July 13, 1806, son of George Romney and Sarah
- 1808 - Baptism, Thomas Rumney, son of George Rumney, house carpenter, and Sarah
- 1811 - Baptism, Eleanor Romney, daughter of George and Sarah
- 1813 - Baptism Anne Romney, daughter of a George Romney, a joiner (carpenter) and Sarah King
- 1813 - Baptism George Romney, son of a George Romney (house carpenter) and Sarah
1781-1812 Baptisms -- Four Rumneys:
- Anne Rumney (daughter of George Rumney and Eleanor, so the marriage in 1776 of George Romney and Eleanor Parke. So that is not Painter George and his wife, Mary Abbot; but it is the child probably of George Romney, there with the Romney spelling and Eleanor Parke, who married in 1776.
- Eleanor, also of George Rumney and Eleanor; the Rumney spelling and Romney seem to interchange
- John (son of George and Eleanor, not Painter George and Mary),
- And four Romneys Eleanor 1811, daughter of George Romney and Sarah; George 1781, Miles July 13, 1806, Myles Park 1785
There is the Miles Romney we are looking for, but it seems to have no connection at all to the painter. Is that right? The Rumneys have adopted the Romney spelling?
Reset the Start Button. We get nowhere with the forebears of George the Painter. Is there any Miles, related to any Romney of note or of anything. We focus on Miles. When does he appear?
1806 -- May 28, 1806, a George Romney, House Carpenter at the parish of St. Mary, married a Sarah King, spinster of the parish.
1806 -- July 15, 1806, a son, Miles, is baptized, son of George Romney (note spelling) and Sarah King.
Did eyebrows rise at the timing? Shotgun marriage in the era of whatever they used then? That is not the point to us now, but it speaks to the era. What was the rank of the Romneys. Was anyone landed?
This Miles is the one our Mitt connects to.
So there is Miles Romney baptized July 15, 1806, two days after he was born. But is he related at all to Big George the painter? Who were his parents, anyway? 1813-1832 -- No Miles baptized.
- Miles married Elizabeth "Gaitskell" in 1830 and then they came to America, as converted Mormons.
- There is a Bridget Gaitskell baptized 1795; Betty Gaitskill baptized 1809, Jane Gaitskill 1804, Elizabeth Gaitsgill 1783.
No Rumneys listed.
Is the earlier George Rumney this new George Romney? Again, spellings are not dispositive. No Rumneys listed. Click on George Romney: he was a house carpenter at the parish of St. Mary's. Sarah King was a spinster of Dalton.
But this George the Carpenter who married Sarah King in May 28, 1806 would not be the parents of Miles who was born July 13, 1806 without eyebrows being raised (were they?) and baptized in 1806? It could have worked.
Burials -- Five Romneys, Eleanor 1789, George 1793, another George 1802, Margaret 1781, and William 1806
Baptisms - Elizabeth Rumney 1833
Marriages -- Agnes Romney 1841, Ann (no e) Romney spinster of Dalton 1830, Eleanor spinster of Dalton 1836,
And Miles Romney, bachelor of Dalton, 1830 married Elizabeth Gaitskell, spinster of Dalton. These are the husband and wife who heard the Mormon Missionary and converted. The preacher was one Orson Hyde. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/31/mitt-romney-s-british-mormon-ancestors.html
Burials - Five Romneys, Betsy 1858, George 1859, Margaret 1859, Miles Park 1859, Sarah 1861